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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2013 18:31:39 GMT
:( I can see why you're very concerned.... rt.com/news/fracking-uk-wind-farms-484/This is not good news. And less wind farms?? wtf? Here I've been horrified some people have been fighting having wind turbines put up off shore because they will 'spoil the view'. Omg...perfect illustration of spoiled, ignorant people (imo). I was always so uplifted with seeing them in Cornwall. Used to regularly drive past a large windfarm on the way to Boscastle and Tintagel. Loved it. Totally magnificent.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2013 18:43:29 GMT
One of the louder arguments posed for outlawing wind generation is the toll they allegedly can take on birds. It's largely just a bunch of hooey used to facilitate a mile of red tape though. Here's some related info, - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_impact_of_wind_power - but ya can google plenty of hoopla on the topic.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2013 19:12:47 GMT
Thanks grey. I will check it out.
Back to the topic at hand....this is the beginning of the link I posted above...it really is not good news.
Headline: Prepare for fracking, UK minister tells Southern England (Published November 09, 2013) "Households right across the south of England should prepare for gas fracking in their backyards, a senior government minster warned. He also said the government would be cutting back on the number of wind farms built in the future.
Michael Fallon said that a study by the water industry, due to be released in a few weeks, will conclude that fracking is safe.
Fallon, a conservative minister, who has posts in the business and energy departments, which might be why he knows the results of the study by the water industry before they have been officially published, said that Britain could emulate US states like Texas, in the extraction of shale gas.
Counties in the Conservative heartlands of southern England, such as Wiltshire, surrey, Hampshire, Sussex and Kent could become major centers for fracking, he told the Telegraph...."
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Post by swannie on Dec 1, 2013 19:51:27 GMT
They all have it set up already Willow. People here seem to be asleep, fracking is not good for the planet or the people, it's already been proved, but money talks, and they're all in it together these sharks. Scary stuff imo because the S of E is already known for it's earthquakes even though they are small and never make the news. I have experienced them myself, so this is not hearsay, they most definitely happen.
Wind farms ... my personal opinion is that they are a great idea however they have made a massive financial loss as we don't seem to get enough wind here, clearly we need to eat more lentils.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2013 15:29:26 GMT
Hmmm..it's a shame wind farms aren't feasible there after all...maybe why off-shore seems more popular an idea here, I guess. Re: fracking...I heard on the radio news this morning talk of the waste water from fracking is exempt from testing for hazardous waste. (I'm sure because it would not comply with federal regulations!) In researching this further, found an incredibly in-depth, well-written source. Further down the page it shows links and details of how exempt fracking really is. I find it all horrifying. www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Fracking
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Post by swannie on Dec 5, 2013 7:05:52 GMT
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Post by Stumour on Dec 5, 2013 17:37:32 GMT
Interesting article, Swaneee... The Casimir Effect is a proven example of free energy that cannot be debunked. The Casimir Effect illustrates zero point or vacuum state energy, which PREDICTS that two metal plates close together attract each other due to an imbalance in the quantum fluctuations(0)(8). You can see a visual demonstration of this concept here. The implications of this are far reaching and have been written about extensively within theoretical physics by researchers all over the world. Today, we are beginning to see that these concepts are not just theoretical, but instead very practical and simply very suppressed. - See more at: www.collective-evolution.com/2013/10/11/multiple-scientists-confirm-the-reality-of-free-energy-heres-the-proof/#sthash.4s4xyDaZ.dpufI underlined "predicts".... not fact, eh? Cannot be debunked.... hmmm can it be in a bunk in the 1st place? A couple of minor points... metal plates are involved... Ore extraction (mining), processing of said ore for metal extraction (involving massive power usage), purifying metallic form (more power n waste), fabrication of metallic form into finished part (eh.... power again). As a metallurgist that has years of experience in the steel industry, I know every step involves a lot of work and resources. And waste. And transportation. (the prius is a fine example of a total screw up.... zinc mined in Canada, sent to far east, belch out toxic fumes... shipped to make batteries... shipped again to be inserted into boxes on wheels that make film stars feel superior blah di blah) hmmmmmmmmmm.... that's a HUGE hmmmm.... nothing for nothing
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Post by swannie on Dec 5, 2013 18:47:09 GMT
Grey! Grey! Greeeeeyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!Stuuuuu keeps pissing on my bonfiiiiirre. Yeah I totally see what you're saying Stu, we can't keep creating earthquakes for the sake of our cars though, at least not without ruining this planet for our kids and their kids. Something has to give, when the planet dies we die, it's as basic as that in my tiny little uneducated mind. This free energy, does it at least use less metal etc? That would be a start and better than nothing!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2013 19:30:47 GMT
I'm still a believer in the law of conservation of energy, which states that the total energy of an isolated system cannot change. It is said to be conserved over time. Energy can be neither created nor destroyed, but can change form. That said however, it's relatively obvious that our planet is the recipient of an enormous constant feed of energy from our sun alone. The question would be whether or not harvesting these relatively unexploited sources would be viable and beneficial. Simple solar energy is a prime example of things of the nature being suppressed though as the exorbitant price it commands is unjust relative to what the tools for making it accessible to the average layman actually cost. While I'm not about to even attempt to dissect/analyze data and theories that're way over my head to decide whether or not they seem plausible, I will say that I believe it to be next to impossible to dissect claims that're pro or anti anything in this misinformation generation. Personally, I found a few details supplied in that link interesting though, regardless of any unknown motives that might or might not be associated.
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Post by Stumour on Dec 5, 2013 22:34:24 GMT
there is NO free energy, Swan. As Grey succinctly pointed out, energy is finite. Cannot be created or destroyed, just converted. You eat food that has absorbed energy from another source and you convert that into fuel for your own system, the waste of which in turn supplies other energy consuming systems.
That article is a heap of energy that would be processed rather well by rhubarb, roses n other plants. It starts off with the statement it is PROVEN and CANNOT be debunked.... very next sentence it becomes a PREDICTION.
Oh... here's another wee issue.... Green types that are into using heat stored in the ground are quite happy to drill 50m plus straight down without, first, checking the geology. How do they power the drilling? What if they hit summat dodgy? At least commercial drilling involves lots of "groundwork" first.
I'm most def not pro fracking, just playing devil's advocate.
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Post by swannie on Dec 6, 2013 8:39:58 GMT
S'ok it's an interesting discussion Stu, I don't care what anybody says, I will never agree with fracking and will continue to oppose it in Sussex. I agree that there is no 'free' free energy, I was just using the word as it had been presented. My question was, where is the balance.
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Post by Stumour on Dec 6, 2013 17:59:12 GMT
Now on to wind energy.... that wanker that can't stand wind (due to hair issues), Donald Trump, has Aberdeenshire Council in his pocket cos proposed wind farms will spoil the view of his proposed golf resort.... what an utter prick n a half
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Post by swannie on Dec 6, 2013 18:16:02 GMT
Now THAT'S NIMBY ... wind farms, do they wreck the environment Stu? How 'free' are they re making and running? It really is a balance, do they create earthquakes?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2013 18:55:09 GMT
But, but, but...... ...windmills kill birdies doncha know? (ones that are stupid enough to fly into something that obvious were weak links anyhoo is what I say )
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Post by swannie on Dec 6, 2013 19:08:55 GMT
The way they're all annihilating the badgers round here, maybe the birds have TB too.
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