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@forums1 political parties are powered by big businesses... we would simply be offered more of the same shit spewers (Trump even has a sphincter mouth).

The only thing to do is vote for the Anarchy Party.... oh the irony if one actually existed!

voodoo1... refer to what I said above... corporate big business arseholes.

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I stumble upon some, uh, "interesting" commentaries sometimes.

This one is more level... Even the comments are fairly benign for today's 'culture'...

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Is this not rather timely? After my mention of Russian money, this was posted on FB from a friend in the deep south land of Trumpet Strumpets....

My open letter to Trump supporters. I know it is long but please read and take a second to think about it. The future of this country depends on it. Feel free to share!
So You Want Someone To ‘Tell It Like It Is’? OK, Here You Go.
1. You join a lying machine and call Hillary crooked. But you support a man who refuses to release his tax returns. You support a greedy, self serving, manipulative proven tax cheat. You support a crooked narcissistic psychopath who is worried his tax returns would reveal evidence of financial ties to Russian oligarchs and other dictators of the world. Just like we now know Putin's puppets illegally paid millions to his crooked former campaign manager, maybe he has been getting paid too. A corrupt little man whose daughter vacations with Putin's girlfriend. Making Russia great again? A con man who funneled millions of campaign money to his own companies and used campaign money to pay his family handsomely. Using his own words, a disgusting and corrupt man who surrounds himself with a disgusting corrupt people.
2. You say you love our veterans but support a man who believes POWs are not heroes because they were captured? A man who has shown he lacks emotional intelligence when he attacked families of a fallen war hero. A man whose company fired a veteran for being deployed to Afghanistan. A man who insults and derides our generals.
3. You think a soulless, heartless small man who mocked a disabled reporter will make a good president. A man whose first instinct after a tragedy is always self-aggrandizement, like after Orlando mass shooting & when Dwyane Wade's cousin Nykea Aldridge was killed. As 3,000 people were dying, this man bragged about how 9/11 attacks were good for him & bragged about how his building is now the tallest in Manhattan just hours after the attack. When the pound fell to a 30-year low following the vote to exit EU, he boasted about making money off British economic uncertainty. When the housing market collapsed in 2008 and millions of Americans lost their homes, he said “ I 'sort of hope' real estate market tanks.” Trump is always looking out for Trump. How do you believe a greedy, narcissistic man who fundamentally lacks empathy and compassion will be a good president? He is not even a good person.
4. You say you're patriotic & love this country but you support a man who has so little understanding of the basic parameters of our constitution's limits & has zero respect for it, except the part he uses to incite violence. A careless small man who asked Russia to spy on our former Secretary of State. A man who trash talks our NATO allies and our president but lavishly praises brutal dictators like Saddam Hussein, Kim Jong Un, Muammar Gaddafi, Vladimir Putin...etc
5. You support a small man who has been married three times and has admitted to infidelity in the past. A man who was accused of raping his wife & has a federal lawsuit accusing him of raping a 13-year-old girl during a party hosted by convicted pedophile billionaire Jeffrey Epstein. A man who comments about his daughters breasts and body. Then you turn around and bring up Bill Clinton's history with women? I agree with you 100% Bill has a disgraceful history with women but no comparison to Trump who has said cringeworthy, disturbing things about women his whole life. May I remind you Bill is NOT running to be the next president. If you are saying oh, candidates spouses are fair game then you can't ignore that he is married to a woman whose naked pictures are all over the internet.
6. You support a man whose business career is a very long list of bankruptcies, defaults and deceptions because he is good for our economy? A man who was born into wealth and built that wealth by scamming, stiffing and bullying ordinary working citizens of this great country.
7. Yes, Hillary is not perfect, then again no one is. You call her dishonest but support a narcissistic pathological liar? Every time Trump opens his mouth every other word that comes out is a lie. Fact checkers have proven it over and over again. We are talking about a man who makes things up to spew hate and fear, like when he lied about seeing an Iran ransom video and a video of muslims celebrating in New Jersey on 9/11. The man is incapable of telling the truth and he is delusional.
8. You support a hypocritical man who hired undocumented immigrants for his real estate projects & exploited our visa program. He is a man capable of solving our immigration problem?
9. I agree 100% if she's elected Hillary and her whole family must distance themselves from the Clinton foundation. Let other people continue the great work the foundation is doing. With that said, you support a man whose foundation is found guilty of a pay-to-play scam and false claims of giving on its tax forms and then turn around and try to push fabricated scandals about the Clinton foundation. The IRS found the con man used funds from his charitable foundation to make a campaign donation to Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi. Just after 4 days of the bribe payment Pam dropped Trump U case. He also held $150K fundraiser for Pam after she dropped a criminal case against his university. His foundation claimed on its tax return forms that it gave $10,000.00 to The Giving Back Fund, but the organization says that donation does not exist. A man who completely retooled his charity to spend other people’s money. A man with deep ties to global financiers, foreign politicians and criminals.
10. You claim the con man whose line of clothing and accessories are made in Bangladesh, China, Honduras and other low-wage countries is the man to fix our labor laws? You claim the man who outsources everything is the answer to creating jobs here at home?
11. You claim the unfit, unstable Putin's little puppet whose campaign is fully embracing alt-right's anti-Muslim and anti-Immigrant ideologies with all their conspiracy theories is the one to unite the country?
12. You support a bottom feeder who put racial discrimination in housing at the heart of his real estate developments, started the birther movement, said "Obama would look perfect on food stamps, he has the right face for it,” and has shown he is prejudice with his actions & words over and over again. Then he pretends he cares about the black communities. He brings up Hillary's reference to a group of violent repeat criminals as "super-predators" in 1996? I don't agree with her choice of words all those years ago but she has apologized since. Something Trump refuses to do.
Of course you can use all kind of deflection tactics & tell yourself whatever makes you feel better but the reality is if you are supporting a racist, misogynistic, xenophobic, bigoted, unfit, unqualified, disgusting con man, you really should admit to yourself you don't care what he says or does. You are using your hatred to cloud your judgement.

It's funny to me, especially with this election, that if I say there's no way in hell I'd vote for Hilary - which is basically (IMHO) a vote for a corporate "bought and paid for" corrupt candidate - that the first reaction I generally get is that then I "must" be a Trump supporter, which I'm not. And heaven forbid I mention things like that 2nd article, that I "understand" why some people like Trump as a perceived "outsider" (which he's not really, but I "get it"). And I also "get" people wanting a woman president, although the backlash then becomes I "must" be a patriarchal misogynist if I don't support Hillary - a false dichotomy ("you're either with us or with the terrorists" - um, no, I'm not with either), I'd have no problem with a woman president, I'd love to see it happen, just not *that* woman who I have no trust in whatsoever.

Not that I like, or would vote for, Trump either... I think he is a misogynist egotistical piece of crap, but I can understand the "appeal" of either to their supporters even if I don't agree.

The only thing I "like" about Trump is that between him and Bernie in this election they've woken up the public to just how fucked the system is, exposed the public to undemocratic things like the superdelegates, the CPD (commission on presidential debates - 4 democrats and 4 republicans who can decide who gets into the debates, that changed the rules after Perot in '92 to ensure we never get a 3rd party in the debates again... because they can't control a 3rd party candidate that'll call them out on *bipartisan* problems both parties created - can't have that, they only want talking points they can blame the other party for and beat them up on). I'm for anything that exposes the corruption in the system (the effect, not necessarily the messenger(s)).


If I bother to vote it's going to be for Johnson, although he's a bit whacky and his choice of Weld for VP rubs me the wrong way, I'd like to see a 3rd party become a viable option in this country. I voted 3rd party across the board the last time (and not, for instance, like my state had the same candidate as dem/"green" party, and rep/"libertarian"... so I voted the only other candidate).

I don't expect a 3rd party to win, of course, and people will accuse me of "throwing my vote away", but I can't in good conscience vote for either candidate on the "two faces of the same corrupt system" tickets.

If you do NOT vote, THAT is throwing your vote away.
You may as well say "Fuck democracy"

If more that were in the stupor of not liking the 2 main options voted for the 3rd (is there more than a 3rd?), then it would be a kick up the arse.

There have been many instances here when the smug main 3 have been booted in to touch. Look at Scotland. We now have twice as many pandas as we have right wing conservative MPs....



ps... that pic is more than a tad rib tickling, F1

It's all sooo old news.
Update your sources Stumour,aka Forum,aka whoever....